When someone interrupts you at a bar, you never know what you’re going to get.
Last night, my roommate, Wes, and I went bar-hopping. We were sitting at a normal bar called Normal Bar having a conversation with each other when this half-drunk guy just sat down at the table with us and used the candle to light his cigarette. He was young, 28-30, with pale skin and tightly cut blond hair.
He listened to us talk for a while with his head down, just nodding, the way drunks often do while they’re waiting for an opening to get in your conversation. I was telling Wes that I wished someone would come up to me and argue against my vegan lifestyle by saying, “Hey, but if some animals die and decompose into the ground, their bodies fertilize plants, so basically you’re just eating animals anyway whenever you eat plants.” It’s a solid argument.
The guy (who we will call John) got interested. It turns out he had a lot to say about plants because he studied horticulture in college. We heard about how plants had feelings, and they grew differently if you surrounded them with angry music or happy music. But he was very interested in why I would be vegan.
“Now, I’m a good ol’ Southern boy myself, so I could never not eat meat and I like to hunt and fish and all that stuff. So I could never go vegan, but I’m just really interested in your reasons for it, and I just don’t understand where you get protein from…”
Spinach came up, among other things, and he said, “What? You can get protein from spinach?” I replied, “Yeah man, elephants are pretty strong, and all they eat is leaves. And what does Popeye eat when he wants to get all buffed up? Spinach! The only problem with spinach, though, is that it’s protein only goes to your forearms, so if you want to bulk up elsewhere you need to eat other things.”
Wes and I, both, were having a bit of a laugh between ourselves as we dealt with this random guy who had walked up to interrupt our conversation.
John talked a little more about the vegan thing, then at some point he mentioned that he had been in the military, and had also grown up in it. I was interested in this. I wanted to commiserate with John over this fact because I had also grown up in the military.
“My dad and grandpa were in the Air Force, my other grandpa was a Marine, and my brother’s in the Navy,” I said. ”So, what branch were you in?”
“I was in the Air Force…but don’t ask me what I did because you don’t want to know.”
Knowing what the Air Force’s role is in these wars, I was pretty sure I knew exactly what he did, judging by the way he said that. But he was wrong: I did want to know. You can’t just say something like that and expect people to let it go.
‘So come on, it’s okay, what’d you do?”
“Well, I mostly did recon. I scoped out targets, marked them out, and called in air strikes.”
“You mean, like drones?”
“Yeah, yeah, a lot of that,” he said, and a somber mood started to overtake him.
I just said, “Oh, alright,” and maintained a calm appearance, but in my head I was buzzing. I didn’t know what to do. If you read other things I’ve written on my blog, you know that the drone issue is a big deal to me. John went inside to get another drink, and I told Wes, “Man, I don’t know what to do. Like I don’t really want to talk about this but I also really do. I’m violently opposed to what this guy does…I don’t know how to handle this.”
Well it didn’t matter how I felt about it because he came back and started unloading. It seems the Pandora’s box had been opened. ”I mean, I don’t feel good about what I done,” he said. ”I done lots of bad things, to bad people. I just get on my radio and say some coordinates, and then bam, they’re out,” he said, while using his right hand to indicate a bomb or rocket hitting at the back of his neck. He used the phrase, “bad things to bad people” many times during our conversation. It’s the justification, the mantra.
He had seemed drunk before, but now he was dead sober.
He went on: “It just kills me though, because I’m a person who saves people, who protects people. My mom was a nurse and my sister’s a doctor, so helping people is just in my blood. That’s what I do now, I’m a paramedic. I want to save people now, not kill them.” From the way he said this, it was clear to me that John was trying to make up for all the people he’s killed—lots of innocent civilians among the bad people, I’m sure—and that he even seemed to have two tallies running in his head: people saved vs. people killed.
“It’s not like I want to kill people. I don’t go to bed at night thinking, yeah, I got ‘em! Sometimes I can’t even sleep at night when I think about all the people whose deaths are on my head. It’s like, I have this one skill, and I can use it to keep people from dying. But I have this other skill, and all it’s good for is taking peoples’ lives away. These are the only two gifts I have.”
“You know, when I was about 15, on till I joined the Air Force when I was 22, I was very political. I’m a conservative and I would just get all fired up about it, it was all that mattered to me. That’s why I joined, you know? But now, after all I’ve seen and all I’ve done, I just don’t care about that any more. I don’t believe in God, I don’t care about politics. I just want to help people. I want to have my own tribe, just people close to me that I care about and protect. That’s all that matters to me. And I don’t want to kill anyone any more, even if they’re bad people. You know what I’m saying? I don’t want to kill anyone, for any reason.”
Wes and I didn’t really know what to say to all this. Neither of us has any way of relating; we’ve never experienced anything close to a dilemma that intense in our lives, never had to deal with the guilt of having killed a person (much less whole groups of people). But we tried to make him feel better, like anyone would, with a litany of ameliorations: “You didn’t have any choice but to follow orders….You weren’t the one that gave the orders….No one’s against the troops anyway, we’re against the people that started the war and keep it going…You’re a good guy….It’s all in the past and all you can do is look forward….You just did what you had to do, and I’m sure you were protecting your buddies on the field when you called in those strikes.”
“But that’s another thing,” he said. ”I did protect my buddies out there. I always protected them, no one I was watching over ever got hurt. My people were always safe, I always protected them. Maybe you don’t understand if you haven’t been in combat but that’s all that matters, keeping your friends alive. I mean, there’s nothing like seeing the guy next to you take a bullet and fall down and bleed out, the sound of it….But then after I came home, I got a call from one of my buddies. He told me, ‘I got hit, man, I got hit bad.’ He was in a hospital, they’d taken him to the hospital in Germany, but he was too messed up. And me, I felt this small,” he said as he squinted and looked at his thumb and forefinger held about a centimeter apart. ”I wanted to save him, but I couldn’t. I don’t ever want to go back there and I don’t want to kill people no more, but I still want to be able to save my buddies…only now I can’t do anything for them, and it makes me feel so small.”
I looked into his eyes as he said these things and I could feel a vast chasm between myself and him with the things he had done and seen. Try as I might, I could never cross it; I could never truly understand what it was like. (I mean, I feel the guilt of murder, which is one of the reasons I went vegan, but that was a choice I had the privilege of being able to make; I wasn’t forced to drop bombs on defenseless villages. As much as militant animal rights people would like to deny it, there is a huge psychological difference between eating a cheeseburger and blowing human beings up with bombs and rockets.)
This discussion went on for a while, until Wes and I had to leave. We just tried to let John know that we understood, that we didn’t blame him for anything. We also tried to be as lighthearted as possible about it, for what it’s worth. It’s not what we had in mind when we went out to go bar-hopping, but in a way, we were both really excited about watching this guy with all these internal conflicts unload them all right in front of us. Wes was a sociology major and I was a psychology major, so we were both fascinated; it was like case study gold sitting there in front of us. If only we had a camera to record it, to show people: look here, even the guys who make it back safe are not okay.
This is what war does to people, even the ones who weren’t on the front lines and in the middle of firefights. This man, whose real name we never actually got, is going to have to live with the things he’s done for the rest of his life. It’s going to eat away at him, it’s going to keep him awake at nights. It’s going to come out when he least wants it, like when he’s trying to have a good time at the bar. This darkness follows him around like a lead ball chained to his neck, and it probably always will.
I hope he saves a lot more lives. I hope he can reconcile the war within himself. I hope he can find peace.
And most of all, I hope we can end these wars as soon as possible.